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hi this is sean cahill and you're

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listening to that ufo podcast

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy and this is a

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bonus review of the movie nope this was

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asked for by tens of you maybe even 15

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to 20 of you

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and we're finally getting to sit down

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and do it having both seen the film and

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both had time to do it the both being

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dan of course dan welcome back hey hey

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good to be here good to finally kind of

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get to this the in america this was

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released at different times so we kind

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of had to stagger things a little bit

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right it was you took the words out of

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my mouth we were hoping to see this in

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july weren't we and it got delayed till

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just that mid mid-august i think that

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was about right yeah yeah

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um so the synopsis of the movie nope um

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is that nope follows two siblings

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emerald and oj played by kiki palmer and

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daniel kaluya respectively who run

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hollywood's only black owned horse

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training ranch and they discover

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something wonderful and sinister in the

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skies above well the owner of an

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adjacent theme park tries to profit from

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the mysterious otherworldly phenomenon

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early on the trailers for this movie

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which let me tell you first off is

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written directed and produced by the the

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wonderfully talented jordan peel of key

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and peel fame you may have seen the

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schedule on comedy central here in the

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uk i'm not too sure if it's on the same

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channel in the us but i see a lot of the

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sketches normally on facebook when they

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when they pop up in rails and stuff like

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that have you seen much of key and pl

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a little bit it wasn't really my cup of

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tea though but i'm a massive horror fan

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so i loved it when he started doing the

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well horror movies yeah so he's had some

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pretty pretty big hits already for a

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very young film maker film writer

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director producer actor you know

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entrepreneur that he is um

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get out which people may have heard of

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which also starred the same star of this

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film daniel kaluya and the movie us

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which i've not seen either of those

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actually but i know they're both meant

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to be very popular this is sort of the

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an unofficial trilogy even though the

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movies aren't actually linked in any way

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shape or form are they there's just

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people just seem to call it an

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unofficial horror trilogy because they

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were all kind of similar

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yeah movies kind of similar in theme you

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know taking ideas and just running with

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them as far as they can they don't

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really think much about the implications

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outside of the movies uh they always

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remind me of twilight zone episodes

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they've got like a

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there's a plot and it sticks to that and

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it goes with what f and bang there's

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like the second one was kind of about

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doppelgangers living underground and

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really you know if you thought of it

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outside of the story it just fell apart

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but within the story you know it's uh

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it's horror movies trying to say

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something about the world yeah and i

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would say that very much that's the tone

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of this one as well which is fair the

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early trailers pointed at this being a

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straight-up horror film but was

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something paranormal supernatural going

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glimpses of what may have been aliens

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little greys but nothing was confirmed

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international trailers broke and there

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was a huge flying saucer coming across

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the desert very quick but it looked cool

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chasing them in broad daylight which

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horror movie just all filmed at night

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where something scary is coming in the

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dark you see this thing a lot during the

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day and when we get to it and this will

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people did ask for like a non-spoiler

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review it's pretty hard to talk about

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this without spoilers right yeah so so

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at the minute let's say it's still

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non-spoilery so you can still listen to

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this first part um but the climax of the

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film takes place during the day so again

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that's the you you see quite a lot um

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meant to be horror or have a lot of

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you start or movies can fall down a bit

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when you see the big bad guy or the big

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reveal the movie signs i love but the

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cgi is a bit ropey on the the alien when

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little goofy that kind of flash of the

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the birthday party on the you know the

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home camcorder that's the bit that works

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um but we'll get to that when we talk

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about the ending as well but it's that

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kind of film it's got an 83

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fresh score on rotten tomatoes or

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tomatoes depending on where you are and

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um and that that's pretty good uh

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audience score 68

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which is average um

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the film was made for 68 million dollars

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that was the budget and has grossed 130

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million dollars so it's doubled that

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which is which is pretty good um

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normally i think you have to to make

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double your budget back to canada

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breaking even given marketing

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advertising that's right all that kind

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of stuff as well so it's still going as

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well and no doubt it'll make some money

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when it comes out on streaming platforms

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and stuff too so i think looking at

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reviews and opinions of critics it's

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it's been somewhat of a success um

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especially for a film tackling the ufo

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very low budget

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z-list films where ufos are the the

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protagonist or the antagonist you know

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film what happens and then there are

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themes within this to do with ufos

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and worth a chat so at this point if you

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are looking for no more spoilers it's

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time to tap out and come back to us when

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the movie but before we go into spoilers

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given it 10 horses out of 10. oh i was

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or cinema near you do try and go and see

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can get imax you know that can

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that it was a normal cinema for me but

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yeah please go and see it in the cinema

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if you can and i like people when you

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because i'm a big moviegoer big fan of

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that kind of experience and otherwise

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the stuff right so again whenever the

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around you get the the quiet the birds

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stop chirping everything goes silent the

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wind stops moving and there's just a

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tension which is built and i think

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within the film that it's like when you

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hear that kind of streak of a violin or

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the predators music plays or you know

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the aliens about to arrive you know the

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ufo which is basically

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a bad guy that is the antagonist in this

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film um you know what's around and i

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think that's captured really well from

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kind of chain of events but it very much

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paints a picture of humans being an

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antagonist to nature and it's our

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expectations that kind of

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you know mess with with situations um

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the film the chimp really well to to

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kind of exemplify that fact and and then

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how how the film is kind of split with

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people's expectations of what the

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sorcerer is and what it turns out to be

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our character is angel or angel

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uh angel yeah who works in a tech store

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pretty geeky as a you know

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ufo subject fan i think you're atypical

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stereotypical ufo guy

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he has a great moment doesn't he where

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he kind of presents like a whole bunch

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of theories whilst talking about the

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navy uap videos which was really cool to

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see yeah again that was pretty early on

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wasn't it he talks about them changing

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ufo to uap uh he talks about the navy

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clips and he's like

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he's probably had the conversation that

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many of us have had to have at some

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point in the last couple of years with

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friends or family or work colleagues um

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and yeah it's it throws a lot of

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information out there to be fair i would

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have liked a little bit more of that

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throughout the film maybe in some way

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shape or form but i thought it was a

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nice nod to if you're an up-to-date fan

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of the subject if you're a social media

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follower on any of the platforms and

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discuss ufos you know so whether it's

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twitter reddit you know instagram and

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such facebook then i think you'll have

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appreciated oh yeah navy navy clips okay

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cool um

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i wonder

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that this kind of came into my head at

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the time and i don't know if it was

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something they said in the film or not

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but

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looking at the ufo to uap it seems to be

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going back to ufo even within the

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language we're seeing and some of these

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bills that are coming out because there

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are so many acronyms now

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you know we had uap and people like usos

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and then uap there was what was the

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other one unidentified

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uh so it was

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uh unidentified

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aerial slash undersea phenomena yeah and

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it started getting a little bit hectic

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and at the end of the day every one of

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them is ufo yeah absolutely yeah and i

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think people are almost more comfortable

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again using that language that

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it's been creeping into the mainstream

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the ufo uap subject that

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ufo was

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losing a little bit of that stigma

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slowly um

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and yeah that was interesting for me

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um

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angel says he's an ancient aliens fan so

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ancient aliens got some advertising on

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there i imagine this is something jordan

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peele again either watches

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or

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angel even says you know ancient aliens

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you should watch that so it got a nice

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plug and there was a small part of me

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hoping i wonder if you'll see a listen

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to that ufc podcast

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um but no no a last no disappointed dad

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never got any stickers out there for

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them to stick on stuff or yeah i got to

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the location when it was being shot

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we'll get some to our jordan peels agent

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and hopefully we'll see them pop up in

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the background of the movie like one of

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the you know the band t-shirts that he

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loves including yes yeah you never know

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but i thought there was a lot of nice

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nods early on in the film i thought the

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premise was set up well they they

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essentially don't know they

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they see the ufo

355
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well he sees glimpses doesn't he have it

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behind the clouds again we've got

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daytime um he's heard you see it at

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nighttime too he sees the lights in the

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distance which grows bigger and he sort

360
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of gets chased by the ufo

361
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and it's

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i do think the ufo's like

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is the bad guy but it's very much

364
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trapped like a wild animal isn't it dan

365
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and that's yes maybe it's like it's not

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the ufo's fault

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that

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it's chasing people and hunting people

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and ultimately eating slash killing

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people it's just what a wild biological

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entity does when it's threatened or

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unsure or uncertain or are potentially

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frightened that's the way it's treat um

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yeah absolutely

375
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oj even says at some point you know

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someone says you can't go out into the

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the fields because you know

378
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the ufo is there is going to come get

379
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you and he makes the point of well you

380
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know you go inside then i've got mouths

381
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to feed and that's exactly the same

382
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point as the ufo it's just they're

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feeding they they're in what it thinks

384
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is its territory right yeah so it's just

385
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very we talked about you'll be talked

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about prey and imagine the predator uses

387
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the jungle in the trees to hide and they

388
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are still not having the to hunt they're

389
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still having to go forage for food

390
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forage for shelter but they're aware

391
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something is out there looking for them

392
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and the ufo is using the clouds as its

393
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trees and it's dancing back and forward

394
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in the sky and hiding behind hills

395
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and that's at their jungle so they're

396
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looking at this expansive desert where

397
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it's no man's land for them and they're

398
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very exposed to what this is

399
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i did like the touch and again this is

400
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one of those kind of more out there

401
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theories that people

402
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do ufos use clouds to mask or hide where

403
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they may be especially during the

404
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daytime and essentially that is ripped

405
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right out of the that kind of ufo 101

406
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book because

407
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the ufo is hiding itself behind the

408
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cloud or you are manifesting itself as a

409
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cloud isn't it because they find this

410
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one cloud hasn't moved for five months

411
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and he sees that on video you see the

412
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sky the blue sky you see all the white

413
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clouds moving in the background and this

414
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one cloud has just sat still and they

415
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realize it's there it's literally right

416
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in front of us the whole time yeah and

417
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there's been some kind of theories per

418
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out that it's actually some form of

419
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aquatic creature and it kind of living

420
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in the the moisture of the clouds is

421
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where it kind of you know can can

422
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recharge so to speak uh that that was

423
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definitely the vibe i got you know the

424
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whole film kind of plays like an upside

425
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down jaws to me it's coming from the sky

426
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instead of the sea and you know the cars

427
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and the house and everything like that

428
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of the boats to kind of stay safe in

429
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being a bit more of a loose bonus

430
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shoulder stand let speculate on that

431
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where do you sit with ufos

432
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right now being up there in the sky

433
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during the day and using cloud cover

434
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most people would say they would just

435
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use some sort of stale for invisibility

436
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or yeah stealth camouflage you know we

437
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don't know if they need to recharge or

438
00:14:55,670 --> 00:14:53,199
anything like that so it's potentially

439
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the you know that they can use clouds as

440
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cover uh certainly one of my early

441
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sightings i was in a car park and i saw

442
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a light kind of go from one cloud to

443
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another cloud so you know i don't know

444
00:15:07,030 --> 00:15:04,720
what that is but it was one of my

445
00:15:08,870 --> 00:15:07,040
earliest experiences with ufos to to

446
00:15:10,710 --> 00:15:08,880
kind of see it hide in the cloud so to

447
00:15:13,189 --> 00:15:10,720
speak pretty much you use anything as

448
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cover right if it works it works

449
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yeah um

450
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they try to get proof of that don't they

451
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as well uh on video they essentially try

452
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to film oh they've got it and they're

453
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talking about

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and probably quite relevant given the

455
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calvin stuff's came out since we've seen

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this and that's that's camille a topic

457
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of debate for a couple of years now

458
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we've heard about the infamous black

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triangle coming out of the water

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photo slash video

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the 23-minute video and whatnot that is

462
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pure sci-fi all that kind of stuff and

463
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and what these

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um

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representatives and congressmen and

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women are are seeing within these these

467
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classified briefings

468
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what is oprah proof what what could you

469
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put on

470
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oprah on a big mainstream show that it

471
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was nine o'clock tonight dan the world

472
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has to tune in because live on

473
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opera we are going to show you what

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really could be proper conclusive proof

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of a non-human intelligence

476
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what what would that have to be for you

477
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now and also let me just give you a

478
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little nod to the phenomenology stuff

479
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and i've i've openly always said

480
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orbs lights in the sky are something i

481
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can struggle with in terms of um

482
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how i see that as evidence the context

483
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behind it being you where they are

484
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you're looking to see it as their as a

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real phenomena and it's worthy of

486
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further study so could people

487
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you or others go and do that however

488
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that may be or how it's involved or is

489
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it setting up 24 7 surveillance all that

490
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kind of stuff

491
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yeah you know

492
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as actual legitimate that's the proof

493
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we touched on this in the breakdown and

494
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i don't think there's necessarily

495
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anything that would show beyond a shadow

496
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of a doubt that there's something real

497
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even if we had a grey alien come out and

498
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shake biden's hand on television uh it

499
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still wouldn't be enough for some people

500
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so

501
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releasing that columbia footage from

502
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phenomenology you know that that was a

503
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bit of a lesson in that because

504
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we filmed these lights on the mountain

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you know they'd split off into these

506
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tiny little kind of orbs people would

507
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call them we had people from the town

508
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that would say that they're ufos or

509
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spirits and you know it was quite a cool

510
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video the way that they kind of form a

511
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triangle and change color to red

512
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and a lot of people kind of say you know

513
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that's not that's not proof of anything

514
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of course we've been presenting it in a

515
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kind of way to get support for further

516
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study whereas in this film they're you

517
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know they're not really looking for that

518
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support they're looking to get the shot

519
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and the fame for themselves so a little

520
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bit different in terms of goals but i

521
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would say by the end of the movie that

522
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they're successful

523
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in kind of defining what it is that

524
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they've been struggling to capture and

525
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one of the things i really loved that

526
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they had to do was because of the way

527
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that the

528
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the

529
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i'll just use that going forward uh

530
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considering that jean jacket messes you

531
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know it has an electric killing field

532
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they had to use

533
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kind of hand cranked cameras and things

534
00:18:19,510 --> 00:18:17,760
like that to film it and it just made me

535
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think of skinwalker and all of the

536
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phenomena with the instantaneous sensor

537
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disassembly and things like that yeah

538
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you i would argue you definitely need

539
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multiple vantage points on the same

540
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phenomenon otherwise people just won't

541
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uh you know take it seriously and also

542
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multiple witnesses as well you know

543
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basically

544
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no longer single source is just not

545
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enough i think

546
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what if do you think does size matter as

547
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a

548
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something but

549
00:18:54,310 --> 00:18:52,720
again like a phoenix night phoenix

550
00:18:56,150 --> 00:18:54,320
knights phoenix knight's great program

551
00:18:58,390 --> 00:18:56,160
for anyone in the uk who's seen that

552
00:19:00,870 --> 00:18:58,400
phoenix lights type event

553
00:19:02,070 --> 00:19:00,880
but we see size of a craft because i

554
00:19:04,070 --> 00:19:02,080
think we're at the point now where

555
00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:04,080
anything that is

556
00:19:08,710 --> 00:19:06,400
40 50 feet or below

557
00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:08,720
including a tic tac is passed off as

558
00:19:13,270 --> 00:19:10,960
potentially man-made it's a drone it's

559
00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:13,280
advanced technology but if we got

560
00:19:17,750 --> 00:19:15,919
something on camera through the navy

561
00:19:19,430 --> 00:19:17,760
with witnesses and such that you're

562
00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:19,440
looking at four five six hundred

563
00:19:22,789 --> 00:19:21,280
thousand feet in size

564
00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:22,799
would that change the conversation

565
00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:25,440
because all of a sudden

566
00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:27,600
you've not got a thousand foot size

567
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:29,360
drawn not even having to get to the

568
00:19:33,029 --> 00:19:31,280
football field sized you know and i just

569
00:19:34,870 --> 00:19:33,039
wonder if that would change people's

570
00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:34,880
minds a little bit more that

571
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:37,360
you know that that sort of shaped flare

572
00:19:41,510 --> 00:19:39,440
could be anything but yeah it was this

573
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:41,520
size and you can see that one on a

574
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:43,280
camera i wonder if that would make the

575
00:19:45,750 --> 00:19:44,160
difference

576
00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:45,760
potentially but then you still get

577
00:19:49,270 --> 00:19:47,200
people bringing up the dirigibles

578
00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:49,280
argument you know the the giant ufos

579
00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:51,600
seem to be kind of quite slow uh we

580
00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:53,840
don't see those kind of instantaneous

581
00:19:57,909 --> 00:19:55,760
turns and and speeding off and things

582
00:19:59,430 --> 00:19:57,919
like that so yeah potentially even even

583
00:20:01,909 --> 00:19:59,440
something like that some people would

584
00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:01,919
kind of say about it so this is where we

585
00:20:05,590 --> 00:20:03,200
are with it now you know you you got to

586
00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:05,600
kind of

587
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:07,520
take what you can gather and move

588
00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:09,360
forward and you know essentially ignore

589
00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:11,120
the skeptics we we need to accept yes

590
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:15,750
people people

591
00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:17,520
some people will pick up on ignore the

592
00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:18,880
skeptics but

593
00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:21,200
well the debunkers let me just say that

594
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:23,520
like skeptics is fine i would argue yeah

595
00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:25,200
in a lot of ways you and i are skeptics

596
00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:27,280
you know we always will yeah

597
00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:28,880
quick to you know not be like it's

598
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:31,120
definitely aliens um you know we look at

599
00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:33,440
all the different possibilities uh yeah

600
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:34,960
when i say skeptics sorry i meant i

601
00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:36,400
meant debunkers the people that start

602
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:37,760
with the idea that it's not a thing

603
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:39,760
instead of that but yeah debunking is

604
00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:41,440
fine as well because we've done that

605
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:42,799
we've done it recently not to go into

606
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:44,320
detail but

607
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:45,039
the

608
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:49,760
debunk everything no matter what you

609
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,320
have to disregard in terms of data and i

610
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:54,000
think that's something gary nolan said

611
00:20:57,909 --> 00:20:56,240
on on twitter recently as well that

612
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:57,919
there are there are people that are

613
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:00,880
deliberately ignoring data that isn't i

614
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:02,480
might have been eric weinstein actually

615
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:05,600
that data that isn't relevant and just

616
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:07,919
cherry-picking certain aspects of data

617
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:09,600
to do with a case and event or whatever

618
00:21:14,830 --> 00:21:11,679
it may be and going with yeah but if i

619
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:14,840
just look at this then i can

620
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:17,760
totally negated being anything anomalous

621
00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:19,679
because that could be this

622
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:21,760
but i've got to ignore x y and z which

623
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:23,440
are actually totally relevant in the

624
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:25,520
case as well so yeah

625
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:27,440
it's it's got a lot of moving parts it

626
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:29,679
came up in your conversation with rizran

627
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:30,559
virk

628
00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:32,400
in your talk about simulation hypothesis

629
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:34,880
he brought up the idea that uh how long

630
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:36,720
it took humans to become accustomed to

631
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:39,200
the idea of meteors of space rocks and

632
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:41,039
because a lot of scientists just didn't

633
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:42,640
think that they were rocks you know up

634
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:44,799
there floating about whenever one was

635
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:46,000
presented to them they were just like

636
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:47,679
well i can't possibly be from space and

637
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:48,880
they wouldn't even entertain the notion

638
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:50,960
whereas now obviously you know people

639
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:52,480
think pick these things up in their back

640
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:54,240
garden you know it's a it's a foregone

641
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:55,760
conclusion it took us a while to get

642
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:57,520
there but along the way a lot of

643
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:59,440
scientists uh you know

644
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:00,480
uh

645
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:02,960
ignored the ignored the data

646
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:05,440
100 something i missed out on before was

647
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:06,480
when they were setting up the

648
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:07,840
surveillance equipment around the

649
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:10,799
property the the mantis on the camera

650
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:13,039
blocks the view and is it one of those

651
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:15,280
little synchronicities or you know

652
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:16,720
they're trying to get a good picture and

653
00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:19,120
it just happens to be a bug lands on the

654
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:21,919
camera and obviously it basically

655
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:23,840
obstructs the view that they have of the

656
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:25,520
ufo potential

657
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:27,360
but i said to you didn't either uh do

658
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:28,720
you think it was a praying mantis

659
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:30,480
deliberately because people talk about

660
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:32,400
mantis type creatures or entities or

661
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:34,080
beings being something they've

662
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,440
encountered especially on like

663
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:37,840
abductions or kind of experiences like

664
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:38,720
those

665
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:39,679
um

666
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:41,440
and yeah you sort of agreed with me

667
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:43,039
didn't you that that's not just by by

668
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,320
chance they've put that in there as a

669
00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:46,799
nice little nod to yeah definitely and

670
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:49,039
and as well it kind of touches my idea

671
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,720
of and we'll talk about it with regard

672
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:52,799
to the shoe no doubt soon um at the

673
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,400
beginning of the stood up shoe

674
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:56,480
that you know there are such things as

675
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,240
bad miracles they're kind of

676
00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:00,720
coincidental timing weird things that

677
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,240
don't really add up to much good for

678
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:04,080
anybody so you know it's a miracle that

679
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:05,760
it happened but it's not particularly

680
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:07,520
great so it kind of just sits in this

681
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:08,880
place where

682
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:10,880
it's just frustrating you you end up

683
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:11,919
kind of thinking i can't believe that

684
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:12,960
happened

685
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:16,240
yeah so we get the tagline at that point

686
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:19,919
uh from oj of what if it's not a ship

687
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:22,240
so we've seen there is a metallic disc

688
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:24,640
in the sky and for anyone and not well

689
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:26,480
versed in the subject or are not that

690
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:28,080
into it potentially if you're just the

691
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,600
member of the public going along to see

692
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,440
the film you're going along to see a

693
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:33,679
flying saucer but the notion is then

694
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:36,000
introduced as we've sort of alluded to

695
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:37,919
it's it's something else

696
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:40,159
and we find out it's eventually it's

697
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:42,240
alive and it's a living organism it's

698
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:44,320
biological um

699
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:46,960
that's easy yes and we'll i'll come back

700
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:49,200
to that because

701
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:50,480
at that point

702
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:53,600
it looks like the the ufo is surveilling

703
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:54,400
the

704
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:58,559
why but

705
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:00,559
i wonder if

706
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:02,559
looking at how we are now

707
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:04,559
that nasa's got involved in the subject

708
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,440
and what if disclosure goes down the

709
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:09,200
root of for

710
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:11,360
at some time in the very near future we

711
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:13,600
get an announcement that the james webb

712
00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:15,039
has picked up

713
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:16,840
signs of life out there

714
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:20,000
or for whatever reason nasa's study

715
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:22,080
finds going back to historical footage

716
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:23,919
that we have objects coming from deep

717
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:27,600
space to our planet and

718
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:30,480
president biden and all these other

719
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:32,480
chancellors and and

720
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:34,400
premiers of other countries get on board

721
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,240
together on tv and say

722
00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:38,320
we don't think we have aliens visiting

723
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:40,400
but we think we're being surveyed or

724
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:42,320
under surveillance by another

725
00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:44,000
intelligence

726
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:44,799
and

727
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:47,120
that's that's the acknowledgement

728
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:48,880
and at that point it's a case of we are

729
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:51,200
going to have to to launch a major study

730
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:53,600
into what it might be how do we catch

731
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:55,600
some of these things et cetera et cetera

732
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:57,440
and i wonder if that's

733
00:25:01,669 --> 00:25:00,480
the next step in in disclosure where

734
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:01,679
there's an acknowledgement we're under

735
00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:03,279
some sort of surveillance but we're not

736
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:06,559
sure by who or or from where

737
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:09,279
i wondered how how would that change the

738
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:11,840
conversation because people like us get

739
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:14,720
podcasts on this and people have blogs

740
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:17,679
and tweeting all that kind of stuff

741
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:18,960
and i've actually got down here how

742
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:21,360
would that be monetized by the wider

743
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:22,480
world

744
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,159
because i'm thinking then do you get

745
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:26,400
every celebrity all of a sudden with a

746
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:29,200
podcast a blog every tv show becomes

747
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:32,000
about ufos

748
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:33,440
do you think that's how the conversation

749
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,520
would be picked up on or would it still

750
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:37,440
say even even with that kind of

751
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:39,840
acknowledgement would it still stay in

752
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:42,960
the realms of of science well we we

753
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:45,200
already kind of have seen and there was

754
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,559
a really cool bit in this film actually

755
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:48,400
where they kind of i i felt like it was

756
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:50,240
a positive nod towards the the outlet

757
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:52,880
that's actually covering this tmz um you

758
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:54,640
know we're already seeing an attempt to

759
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:58,559
kind of monetize in the tabloids here

760
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:00,400
but as well as that we've seen people

761
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:02,960
like demi lovato go out and film their

762
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:05,440
own tv series about trying to engage

763
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:06,799
this phenomena

764
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:08,880
if they had viable locations where they

765
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:10,720
could go and just sit and film these

766
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:12,880
things and we knew that you know they

767
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:14,400
were definitely surveilling us and stuff

768
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:18,320
like that i i think we'd end up with

769
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:19,760
with with a lot of

770
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,960
i guess there would be a spectrum of

771
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:22,320
reactions you know we we know the

772
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,760
skinwalker ranch is weird but not

773
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:25,679
everybody else is running out there to

774
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:28,320
to film something from the edge but some

775
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:30,559
people do you know

776
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:33,120
right so you're using that do you think

777
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:35,200
and maybe monetization's the wrong word

778
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:37,279
but the way it's then reported on and

779
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:38,960
picked up on so do you think all of a

780
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:41,279
sudden somewhere like skin walker ranch

781
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:44,000
becomes a huge hot spot for

782
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:45,600
people from all over the world to be out

783
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:48,559
there reporting trying to spend time

784
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:49,919
like

785
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,960
would have been back in the day if it

786
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:54,320
happened now

787
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:55,039
yeah

788
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:57,120
that may happen i i mean we we had the

789
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:59,200
uh storm area 51 event right i think

790
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,279
that speaks volumes about the question

791
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,440
people kind of made an event around a

792
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:05,520
place that had a myth around it uh to do

793
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,720
with aliens and they all went out and

794
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:08,480
celebrated and you know no doubt there

795
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:10,000
were people watching the sky and things

796
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:11,679
like that there too yeah so yeah

797
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:13,760
absolutely i think it goes from the

798
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:15,360
realm of something wishy-washy to

799
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:16,880
something that you can certainly form a

800
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:19,520
business around and people like you know

801
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:21,440
the the late steve irwin would come

802
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:23,200
running to try and kind of crack this

803
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:24,480
thing because they're all about looking

804
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:26,480
at mysteries in nature i wonder how far

805
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:27,919
we are away from something like that

806
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:29,840
happening you know yeah you say steve

807
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:31,840
urban obviously no longer with us but

808
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:34,000
david attenborough has shows suddenly a

809
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:36,000
switch to to really looking from a

810
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,399
nature perspective what is visiting us

811
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:40,320
and where it could be from your brian

812
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:42,880
cox is and who have already done shows

813
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,279
about what may be out there in terms of

814
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:47,120
you know small microbial life and things

815
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:49,279
like that again did those switch so yeah

816
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,480
i just thought that was interesting

817
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:53,039
talking about your oprah proof and if we

818
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:55,360
are being surveyed or surveilled by

819
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:57,120
another species which is a hypothesis

820
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,440
that is discussed how would that change

821
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:01,200
things without us getting

822
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:04,240
the saucer or you know bodies or even

823
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:06,720
contact for for still some time later so

824
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:08,000
yeah that was just a thought that came

825
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:09,760
out it's funny as well to think about

826
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:12,159
the idea of that of jean jacket in the

827
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:13,600
movie surveilling them because that was

828
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:15,279
really their expectation that you know

829
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,399
there were these creatures in the

830
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:18,480
sorcerer that were taking the horses and

831
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:20,480
doing stuff to them even even dupe at

832
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:23,520
one point um tries to kind of train it

833
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:25,200
in a show and

834
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:26,799
he just thinks that the horses are being

835
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:28,480
taken up to be studied at no point does

836
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,000
he think that they're being eaten by a

837
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,720
creature and it just speaks to that

838
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,480
again subverting expectations which is

839
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:36,240
what i think the film was all about i i

840
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:38,559
really love that it will take you know

841
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:41,039
for someone like my my mom who isn't

842
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:42,799
into this subject at all she's probably

843
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:44,159
never heard the idea that these things

844
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:46,480
could be creatures so she now gets to

845
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:48,240
watch that and kind of go huh that's a

846
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:49,760
different way to think about it i wonder

847
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:51,679
what other possibilities are there i i

848
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:53,679
don't know if you mentioned jean jacket

849
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:54,720
who

850
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:56,480
produces or tries to film and capture

851
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,720
these with that older equipment usually

852
00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:00,720
makes nature documentaries and captures

853
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,159
wild animals and their habitat and

854
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:03,840
that's why they get him on board like

855
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:06,240
you say but you also mentioned earlier

856
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:09,039
about gorday the chimp yes and there's a

857
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:10,159
running

858
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,000
theme through the film where you see

859
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:14,720
clips of gordy being on like in a

860
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:17,039
70s 80s tv show one of those kind of

861
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,880
typical sitcoms you know

862
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:20,399
canned laughter audience all that kind

863
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:22,240
of stuff and we see that something

864
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:23,679
really bad has happened where you can

865
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:26,720
kind of instantly realize that gordy has

866
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:28,880
went a bit crazy and attacked people on

867
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:29,760
set

868
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:31,919
and one of the kids who becomes a rant

869
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:33,200
owner that you'll see if you watch the

870
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:35,520
film um he's hiding under a table you

871
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:37,360
see the chimp basically destroying and

872
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:39,679
mashing someone's face and off camera

873
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:41,440
but you can see it kind of happening you

874
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:43,360
see their feet and you see the fist

875
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:44,960
going up and down

876
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:46,080
and

877
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:47,600
i wasn't sure at the end of this what

878
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,360
those clips were trying to put across

879
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:51,520
other than in the background there's a

880
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:53,840
like a ballet shoe or a shoe which is

881
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:56,960
standing up on end as if gravity isn't

882
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:59,279
quite working at that one point and

883
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:00,720
something's affecting it because it

884
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:02,240
shouldn't be able to balance the way it

885
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,200
is

886
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:05,200
but i asked you when i came out i didn't

887
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:07,279
quite get why the chimp other than it

888
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:09,760
being affected by something

889
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:11,200
and you made the comment i'll let you

890
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:12,399
explain it actually because some people

891
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:14,000
have asked about what the the gordy

892
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:15,039
stuff was

893
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:17,200
yeah like i mean it took me in hindsight

894
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:19,279
to kind of click with it as well uh on

895
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:22,559
second viewing the idea that i mean for

896
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:24,320
for one goadie wasn't one chimp it was

897
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:25,679
several chimps that they were switching

898
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:27,919
out on the tv set um and we know that

899
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:29,600
dupe as a child was on that show he was

900
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:31,039
the only person that the chimp didn't

901
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:32,880
attack in fact he kind of gave the the

902
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:35,919
kid a fist bump uh because they course

903
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:36,799
through

904
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:37,919
this

905
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:40,640
kind of weird chain of events

906
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:43,039
actually he was the only person on set

907
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:44,799
to not look the chimp in the eye and

908
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,880
therefore not be seen as a aggressive or

909
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:48,480
a threat and what he was actually

910
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,799
looking at was this stood up shoe so in

911
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,799
a way the shoe saved him so that brings

912
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:54,480
us back to this idea of bad miracles

913
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:56,080
diana pasalka touches on these things

914
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:57,360
you know they're not necessarily

915
00:31:02,070 --> 00:30:59,840
beneficial for everyone but this freak

916
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:02,080
accident of you know chaos happening and

917
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:03,679
this one shoe being stood up managed to

918
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:05,679
save the kid and it's kind of ironic

919
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:07,519
that that kid then grows up and suffers

920
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:08,960
exactly the same fate through doing the

921
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:10,960
same things as the adults on that tv

922
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:13,440
show which is essentially taking an

923
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:15,279
animal out of its natural habitat

924
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:16,960
putting expectations on it that it can

925
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:18,559
perform a certain way and very human

926
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,240
expectations as well

927
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:22,799
and then expecting that to go well uh

928
00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:24,960
you know we're always kind of

929
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:27,519
setting up spectacle and expecting it to

930
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:30,159
go a certain way and it's one of those

931
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:32,640
examples that shows us that that nature

932
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:34,159
kind of does its own thing it's only

933
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:36,240
that it's allowing us to to interact

934
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:39,200
with it that everything feels safe and

935
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,559
then that's reflected throughout the

936
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:42,399
film with you know they have shots of

937
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:44,000
kind of you know snakes kind of taking

938
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:46,000
their prey and things like that but i

939
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,519
would say that it's reflected in jean

940
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:49,919
jacket the saucer and the way that dupe

941
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:52,000
tries to train it and you know it eats a

942
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:53,519
decoy horse and gets very angry and

943
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:55,279
that's what we get that whole sequence

944
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:56,960
of it just pouring blood on the house

945
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:59,600
kind of as a as a i mean i can't swear

946
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,200
but you know as a

947
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:03,760
little thank you for injuring it i guess

948
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:04,559
yeah

949
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:06,720
um and again just subverts that

950
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:08,799
expectations you know i think oj is the

951
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,039
only person to actually respect it as an

952
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,200
animal and he

953
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:15,279
might come out unscathed i wouldn't like

954
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,679
to say for sure but he certainly knows

955
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:19,679
how to interact with it by the end of

956
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:21,039
the film

957
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:24,720
very much the the ufo attacking

958
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:27,600
capturing people and causing some chaos

959
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:29,200
and like you say

960
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,570
o.j sort of realizes how to

961
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:33,360
[Music]

962
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,120
deal with this

963
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:37,360
phenomenon and it's treating it like a

964
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:39,200
wild animal treating it like that that

965
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:41,120
chimp um

966
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,559
as the movie kind of wraps up and gets

967
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,559
to its climax there's not many people

968
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:46,799
left in the area that haven't been

969
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:49,840
eaten or taken away by the ufo and they

970
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:52,399
they basically have a plan to to try and

971
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:53,279
kill it

972
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:55,360
as such and we won't ruin too many of

973
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:56,960
the details i'd recommend people watch

974
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:59,440
it however this is the point where it's

975
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:01,279
very much confirmed that the object is

976
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:02,720
biological it's not just abducting

977
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:05,039
people it is literally consuming them

978
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:08,559
uh for you know for nutrition and

979
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:11,919
there's a form change towards the end

980
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:14,399
i didn't quite get on board when that

981
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:16,960
happened i was liking the the saucer

982
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:19,600
with the biological inside

983
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:21,039
and

984
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:23,120
it changes into a really

985
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:28,549
papery you know one of those like um

986
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:29,519
ribbons

987
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:31,360
and you get those dancers

988
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:32,480
on the ribbon

989
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:33,760
yeah

990
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:35,679
it was very wavy and

991
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:38,720
i i very very angelic

992
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:39,679
yeah

993
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:40,799
you know when people talk about the

994
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,360
tubular bell type logo or thing that was

995
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,360
seen as skin walker ranch was it cold

996
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:47,279
killer or who saw that that's right uh

997
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:49,039
sorry um

998
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:51,039
oh i forget his name now someone's going

999
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:53,360
to be yelling at the screen right now no

1000
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:55,279
oh yeah sorry like yeah when he was at

1001
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:56,799
the ranch yeah he saw it over someone's

1002
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:58,880
shoulder in in the kitchen of the main

1003
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:00,880
places can walk around yeah so there's a

1004
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:03,200
weird sort of figure and it it becomes

1005
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:05,279
this almost like in a strange angelic

1006
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:07,120
type being

1007
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,079
um

1008
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:10,480
while it attacks them i didn't i

1009
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:11,679
appreciate it though that they really

1010
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,359
tried something else and go look at what

1011
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:15,760
this may be this is it's not human it's

1012
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:17,200
something totally different and it's not

1013
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,760
what you're expecting the the grays that

1014
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:21,359
we see in the trailer that you expect to

1015
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,440
see in the film earlier on in the movie

1016
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:25,280
turn out to be kids dressed up playing a

1017
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:27,760
prank so i like i like they kind of give

1018
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:29,440
you that swear of the ah it's not like

1019
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:31,280
aliens running about it's a biological

1020
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:33,040
creature and here's what it is and

1021
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:35,839
that'll blow some minds of some of the

1022
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:37,919
audiences those those kids as well the

1023
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,200
suits that they were in they were sent

1024
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:41,599
by dupe who had the experience with godi

1025
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:43,839
when he was younger and i i thought the

1026
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:45,919
aliens kind of looked whilst they looked

1027
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:47,599
owly they also kind of look quite chimp

1028
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:49,040
like it when you go back and watch it

1029
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,480
and it speaks to the trauma that you

1030
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:52,639
know he picked up from godin that other

1031
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:54,560
experience that he was trying to capture

1032
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:56,639
yeah while they're doing the kind of end

1033
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:58,000
sequence and they're trying to capture

1034
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:00,720
the ufo with this elaborate setup we

1035
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:02,720
also see the difficulties of capturing

1036
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:05,359
ufo video with you know things turning

1037
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:07,599
off electrical equipment failing

1038
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:09,440
we but they use that to their advantage

1039
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:11,839
as well they have jean jacket with his

1040
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,880
older crank handle cameras but then they

1041
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,040
have to change the film which is

1042
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:19,280
obviously a point where the ufo moves

1043
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,720
and they're like quick change the fight

1044
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:22,400
i really appreciated that they captured

1045
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,760
that i used to work in films and

1046
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:25,760
whenever you deal with film you've got

1047
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,839
to put it in a tent where you can't look

1048
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:29,280
into it otherwise if there's any light

1049
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:31,040
goes in it ruins the film so you have to

1050
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:33,359
do it blind just through gloves in this

1051
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:34,960
kind of tent that's blacked out and and

1052
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:36,240
they took the time to kind of capture

1053
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:38,000
that you could see angel's frustration

1054
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:39,280
with her at one point and i was like

1055
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:40,560
yeah they could you guys that

1056
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,839
frustration because you're like yeah i

1057
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:43,280
want you to film it i want you to film

1058
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:45,040
it and

1059
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:46,320
ultimately

1060
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:48,079
he has to sacrifice himself to keep

1061
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,960
filming as well doesn't he well so i i

1062
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,800
would say that he he doesn't have to at

1063
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:54,720
all that that's one of the moments in

1064
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:59,030
it's kind of a racial statement the the

1065
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,560
the white man is stood on the shoulder

1066
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:02,240
of the minorities he's trying to get the

1067
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:04,400
credit again he he just kind of he's

1068
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,160
after this one perfect shot that he

1069
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:08,160
keeps talking about the whole film and

1070
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:09,839
then he realizes basically that he can

1071
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:11,359
go and stand in front of jean jacket

1072
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,880
it'll consume him and suck him up and

1073
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:14,800
he'll have you know the greatest legacy

1074
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,800
known in hollywood basically

1075
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:18,560
and there's a whole racial undertone to

1076
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:20,240
the film and you'll see that from from

1077
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:22,240
the beginning um which is really well

1078
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:24,400
done and but that's i'm not going to

1079
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:25,920
comment on racial stuff i don't know

1080
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:27,760
enough about people's hardships and

1081
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:30,000
whatnot i i think it kind of all leans

1082
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,599
into the idea that we all judge each

1083
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:33,280
other as caricatures before we judge

1084
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:35,040
each other as humans and that that

1085
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:36,720
extends to the animals as well you know

1086
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:37,839
go uh

1087
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:39,520
jordan p alert loves animals and they

1088
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:40,720
kind of

1089
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:42,000
when you interact with them sometimes

1090
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:43,920
you get this existential reflection you

1091
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,520
know when you see a dog that seems a bit

1092
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:47,599
more switched on than than you expect

1093
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:49,280
dogs to be you know they're quite smart

1094
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:50,560
and you kind of think wow did we just

1095
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:53,599
communicate but they're almost a way to

1096
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:55,520
to reflect on you know what it means to

1097
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:58,320
be human and they're a real reminder of

1098
00:37:02,230 --> 00:36:59,760
how we tend to treat things that we

1099
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:02,240
don't think of as human as well

1100
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:04,079
including each other

1101
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:06,160
at the end we get somewhat of a happy

1102
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:08,960
ending as expected the

1103
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:11,280
the saucer being is tricked into

1104
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:13,760
consuming something which then destroys

1105
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:14,800
it

1106
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:16,000
dan

1107
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:17,760
at the end though

1108
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,320
kiki palmer is left over at emerald the

1109
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:22,480
sister and she's she's a character who

1110
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:24,079
has a little arc which you come to i

1111
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:25,760
think really like her by the end of i

1112
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,520
did anyway she's a bit obnoxious at the

1113
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:29,520
start she's a great swagger yeah she's

1114
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:31,599
very different to o.j they're all very

1115
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:33,040
different people through in the film the

1116
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:35,200
characters it's very small cast it it

1117
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:36,800
seems like one of those covered films

1118
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:38,480
again small cast

1119
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,720
out in the middle of nowhere so yeah

1120
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:42,320
that had had its issues in filming like

1121
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:45,599
many films coming out now did um

1122
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,599
but i liked her quite a lot by the end

1123
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:49,280
of our character has like a redemption

1124
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:51,839
arc but um oj

1125
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:54,800
seems to sacrifice himself as well

1126
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:58,480
but in the closing scenes you see oj

1127
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:01,200
triumphantly on a horse

1128
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:04,640
and just outside a gate but

1129
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:07,040
out yonder doesn't it yeah but you you

1130
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,800
got the feeling that he might not be

1131
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:10,800
alive and this was just a bit of a

1132
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:13,280
a hero shot at the end whereas i thought

1133
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,960
it was more of a no he was alive and he

1134
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:16,320
managed to get away

1135
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:18,160
yeah and again it's one of those things

1136
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,359
that you know earlier i said when you

1137
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:21,680
speak think of these stories in jordan

1138
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,359
peels films carrying on afterwards

1139
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:25,200
they're kind of loosey-goosey you can

1140
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:26,480
interpret a lot in them and they don't

1141
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:28,000
necessarily always

1142
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:29,200
show you on the face of it what it's

1143
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,960
about but the second time i watched the

1144
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:33,119
movie you know you don't you don't see

1145
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:34,880
him he he makes the gesture that you

1146
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:36,960
know he's going to watch this uh he's

1147
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:38,480
going to watch jean jacket to kind of

1148
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:39,839
get it to come near him because she

1149
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:41,839
jacket sees it as aggression and kind of

1150
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:44,880
takes on anyone that looks at it um

1151
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:48,400
but then uh emerald m you know take

1152
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:50,000
takes the kind of looks right and it

1153
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:52,079
chases her and we have this great moment

1154
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:53,760
where she does this cool akira bike

1155
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:56,160
slide into the town and yeah then yeah

1156
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:58,320
it releases this giant person balloon

1157
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:00,160
that it thinks it's looking at it and it

1158
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:01,760
kind of consumes it

1159
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,560
and

1160
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:04,480
yeah the the whole film i mean it kicks

1161
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,079
off with that great

1162
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:08,560
little story about edward muybridge and

1163
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:10,160
the bet that he made to prove that a

1164
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:11,680
horse's feet will all come off the

1165
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:14,720
ground at one time um so they the story

1166
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:16,720
goes that they set up a whole bunch of

1167
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:17,440
uh

1168
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:19,119
photography cameras along a racetrack

1169
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:20,880
with some uh

1170
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:22,640
triggers and as the horse run past it

1171
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:23,760
would take photos and when they put

1172
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:25,520
those photos in order we essentially had

1173
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:26,960
one of the first moving pictures of

1174
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:28,400
first movies

1175
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:31,040
but no one knows the jockey's name and

1176
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:32,560
that's a true fact in life you know no

1177
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:35,440
one knows what that jockey was called uh

1178
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:37,040
but it was a black jockey and we all

1179
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,800
talk about the achievement of the white

1180
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:40,560
guy who figured out how to make movies

1181
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:41,760
but never the person that was actually

1182
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:44,240
in the picture and it's a running theme

1183
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,760
for him throughout the film that she

1184
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:47,280
wants people to know her family name

1185
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:49,040
because she was related to the person

1186
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:50,480
that was on that horse

1187
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,480
so when we get to the end

1188
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:54,240
ben you know we get this nice kind of

1189
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:57,040
just shot of her crying

1190
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:58,560
looking as all the reporters are coming

1191
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:01,359
in and she finally has that proof of the

1192
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:02,800
you know the pictures and probably all

1193
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,480
those reporters filmed what went on from

1194
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:06,480
another angle as well

1195
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:08,079
she she then

1196
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:09,760
looks out like you say

1197
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:12,400
and sees you know oj on a horse kind of

1198
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:14,319
looking all heroic and things like that

1199
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:15,599
but the second time i watched it i

1200
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:17,599
really got the sense that he might not

1201
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:20,000
be there anymore that actually this was

1202
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:22,720
her upset

1203
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:25,040
the fact that this this bit of spectacle

1204
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:26,560
to capture to get her oprah moment

1205
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:27,920
actually has ended up costing her

1206
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:30,160
everything and whether it's worth it or

1207
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:32,000
not is kind of the point of the film

1208
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:33,280
right it's it's like she's made him

1209
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:34,960
proud like it he would have been proud

1210
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,880
exactly yeah that's certainly the way

1211
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,800
that is painted isn't it like that they

1212
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:40,560
they achieve what they set out to do and

1213
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:41,839
the world is going to know their name

1214
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:43,760
whether they're both there or not you

1215
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:45,839
know the film ends there i think i said

1216
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:46,960
to you what i would have liked to have

1217
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:49,280
seen during the credits would have been

1218
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:52,400
small inter-splicing of

1219
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:55,359
emerald on oprah and other shows as she

1220
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:56,880
gives them and shows the evidence i

1221
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:57,839
thought that would have been cool if

1222
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:59,440
they could have got some clips like that

1223
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:01,119
and yeah the reactions would have been

1224
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:03,280
cool but i guess by that point a lot of

1225
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,560
other footage will be coming in through

1226
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,400
the you know the media that was arriving

1227
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:08,720
just as but then there's an assumption

1228
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:11,200
that the media caught that and you know

1229
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:13,119
i talked with res and other people about

1230
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:14,800
the idea that what if what if they saw

1231
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:15,920
nothing

1232
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:18,079
yeah and she's got this proof or that

1233
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:19,440
could have been the clips where she goes

1234
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:21,200
on these shows and they're like but the

1235
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:23,040
media coming in

1236
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,480
they they saw the explosions but there

1237
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,400
was nothing in the sky

1238
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:28,560
and they never saw or never had that

1239
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,560
same experience because of where they

1240
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:32,880
were proximity all that kind of stuff or

1241
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:35,359
again it was no the the the angle of the

1242
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:37,200
sun actually stopped the cameras picking

1243
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:38,640
anything up all that kind of stuff

1244
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:41,119
because she has to her proof it's quite

1245
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:42,480
clever it's in the well isn't it and

1246
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:43,760
it's a picture where you're all looking

1247
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:46,160
a whale and you you put in like a penny

1248
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:48,079
or a dollar

1249
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,839
and you take a picture but the picture

1250
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,839
comes from underneath looking up and

1251
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:53,359
that's how she manages to finally

1252
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:54,640
capture which i thought that was very

1253
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:58,000
very clever um a way to do it and you

1254
00:42:01,829 --> 00:41:59,599
the pictures come out and you can see

1255
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:01,839
something but it would be a case of if

1256
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:03,839
the camera has never picked that up and

1257
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:06,319
there was no testimony other than hers

1258
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:08,720
the the picture proof is probably no

1259
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,760
good

1260
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,520
yeah she ends up just being another

1261
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:13,200
person on television insisting that this

1262
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:15,680
stuff exists and being ignored right

1263
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:18,000
yeah it really reminded me of i know you

1264
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:19,599
said jellyfish but kind of there's a

1265
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,800
creature known as

1266
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:22,640
stenophore and there's a really cool

1267
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:24,240
video online where you can and it comes

1268
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:25,839
up quite often in conversations about

1269
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:28,319
aliens and you know being in our oceans

1270
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:29,599
it kind of holds the shape as it's

1271
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:31,920
drifting through the ocean um and then

1272
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:33,200
it comes across basically the

1273
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:34,720
submersible is filming it and it gets

1274
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,240
caught up in the fans but before it does

1275
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:38,640
that it changes shape into this like

1276
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:40,640
crazy flowing creature that that you

1277
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:41,359
know

1278
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,520
reminded me of this of jean jacket in

1279
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:45,760
this movie basically

1280
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:48,240
so ultimately done you said this the 10

1281
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:50,720
out of 10 film it's been well received

1282
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:52,480
it's been

1283
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,040
heralded as quite a brave attempt at

1284
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,440
approaching the ufo subject especially

1285
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:59,280
in hollywood in a serious way and a big

1286
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:00,240
budget

1287
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:03,359
um and a horror genre as well

1288
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:06,079
it was definitely successful um would

1289
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,599
you like to see i don't know what

1290
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:08,880
actually we're going to see this

1291
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:10,560
followed up on in the very near future

1292
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:12,560
with monsters in california and i can

1293
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:15,440
see that having some very similar tones

1294
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:17,040
and themes potentially within it would

1295
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:19,280
that be fair yeah i think so and

1296
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:21,760
monsters of california is it's likely to

1297
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:23,280
be a lot more

1298
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:24,880
it's going to be using humor a lot more

1299
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:25,760
than yeah

1300
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:27,680
but this film had its humorous moments

1301
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:29,680
right yeah yeah i especially love when

1302
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:31,599
the aliens were coming towards oj and it

1303
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:33,200
was the kids dressed as the aliens cindy

1304
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:34,960
he just kind of says nope and just backs

1305
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:37,920
off yeah you know definitely even even

1306
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:39,040
the people that will pull their phones

1307
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:40,319
out get to a point where they're just

1308
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,240
like no i'm out of here

1309
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:44,160
so then what would you say to people who

1310
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:46,400
listening to this haven't seen nope it's

1311
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:48,880
maybe coming out of cinemas um and it's

1312
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:50,560
due to be on streaming and they're still

1313
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:52,079
not sure what what are your selling

1314
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:54,240
points on it

1315
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:56,000
i would say that it's just it's it's a

1316
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:57,520
ufo movie that subverts your

1317
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:59,920
expectations and it's really clever in

1318
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:01,920
the way that it does so it's one of the

1319
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,800
first ufo films for me that by the end

1320
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:06,400
of it like you said it sheds light on it

1321
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:08,240
everything's in the daytime they

1322
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:09,680
actually capture a picture of it you

1323
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:11,200
understand that it's a creature by the

1324
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:13,119
end it actually defines the phenomena by

1325
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:15,280
the end of it but i wonder i wonder how

1326
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:16,800
many people would

1327
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:18,720
you know once once say for example the

1328
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:20,240
media caught it and everyone believed

1329
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:22,319
her and saw the photos i wonder how many

1330
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:24,319
people would have stories that said you

1331
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:26,720
know that isn't what took me that isn't

1332
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:28,880
that something different again and so

1333
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,480
you know ufology lives on to fight

1334
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:32,160
another day but it was really

1335
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:34,160
provocative in the things that it made

1336
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:36,400
me think about and i especially loved in

1337
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:38,319
imax kind of my eyes were darting all

1338
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:39,839
over the screen looking around in the

1339
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:42,160
sky to kind of try and capture catch

1340
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:44,000
something and it was really cool the the

1341
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:45,520
the opening shot of the house at night

1342
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:47,119
has just a triangle of lights over the

1343
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,200
top of it which i thought has surely has

1344
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:51,440
to be uh intentional

1345
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:53,359
um and and there was another really cool

1346
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:55,520
idea that the uap means universal apex

1347
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:57,920
predator i i enjoyed that

1348
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,400
i will just say i think it's on its own

1349
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:02,640
it's a good movie and if i had gone to

1350
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:04,560
that not being a fan of the ufo subject

1351
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:06,000
i think i come away saying yeah you know

1352
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:07,920
what that was decent i like that and i

1353
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:09,359
think if you are you're listening to

1354
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:11,599
this you are a fan of the ufo subject i

1355
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:14,400
would imagine um you you will like this

1356
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:16,720
movie it's got enough nods in it um and

1357
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:17,839
you know what whether you like it or

1358
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:19,520
didn't like it or what your thoughts

1359
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:21,280
stick them in the comments below and

1360
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that would be appreciated or drop us an

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email drop us a message on social media

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that would be very much appreciated um

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our next sort of review type show that

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comes out will be our regular

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documentary review and it's the dorothy

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isaac documentary dan isn't it

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yeah that's right we're going to be

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looking at dorothy isaac and seeing

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see what we think of the case really i i

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hear that the book goes a lot more in

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depth so i'm going to try and have a you

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know gander through that and hopefully

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bring some more information in but yeah

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let's

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about

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yeah and this has gone up early for

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people on patreon apple youtube

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everywhere else and probably a good week

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or so before anyone else got it so thank

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you very much for supporting i

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appreciate that and if and when it's

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come out on the free feeds thank you for

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listening very much appreciated and dan

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thank you

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i'm sad about is that we couldn't do

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this in a cinema whilst watching it

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together we do we do annoy all the other

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punters right

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would i be sad about that no

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nope the school holidays have arrived in

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my household and let's make art a new

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that is all for this week's show thank

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you very much for listening please

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and again folks as always keep looking

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up you never know what you might see

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00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:20,150
like alice was playing face for the

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parliament effect the little

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hovered right inside of my window when i

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shoved out the screen he made it an

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[Music]

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cuz

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[Music]

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there was something on my head and

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everything was weird and everything was

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00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:06,400
red i helped my boys they thought this

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[Music]

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for being

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considered serious

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[Music]

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it